FarmerTy Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) http://www.mindstreamh2o.com/ Edited July 23, 2015 by mFrame (Mike) changed to direct link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I want to know how much their website does not have any prices yet:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james77515 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 A while back the suggested price was posted at $599for the unit and $30 for each disc it uses every 3 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolt Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Glad to see they will be at MACNA, I'll definitely stop by their exhibit and check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reburn Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I've been watching this I hope they can get it to work. They have been working on it for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 They could charge me my first born son and I'd probably still get it... as long as it gives accurate results! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gig 'em @ NDstructible Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Holy cow. Can't wait to see how viable this is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon Reefer Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Yes and the real mind blowing part besides eliminating the need for constant calibration of probes like Calcium is the idea that they also have plans to integrate their device with other aquarium products (e.g. controllers) to provide a complete monitoring and control system. Hook this baby up with an Apex and you coukld control everything with total accuracy from anywhere. Next step would be to have Diver's Den drone drop fish right into the aquarium >~)))> 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SChrisEV Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I WANT ONE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 They sure do have a lot of people working on the project. If they've got enough money to fund all the patent lawyers, PhD's and chief executives maybe they are on to something. I'll grumble with skepticism until I get my hands on one. It just seems too good to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gig 'em @ NDstructible Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I agree with victoly for now, I'm not sure how such a small device can so accurately measure all those parameters. I would like to see the science and theory behind how they do it and test it out over a month or two before I can trust it completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 it would certainly be a quantum leap in terms of technology, with widespread applications in many industries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bpb Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 http://mindstreamh2o.com Thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 seems too good to be true. will be amazing for the hobby and many other industries if it's legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bpb Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Whoa! Threads merged. Hadn't seen this thread previously and just heard about this today. Looks like it just uses various different light sources to measure things. I'm having a hard time understanding how that will work for things like alk if there is no reagent used or chemical reaction. I'll admit, I'm educated, but no chemist. I understood that things like bicarbonate could only be measured via a chemical reaction. Even if the final result is assigned a value based on a spectrographic reading, some sort of reaction has to take place yes? I guess I wasn't aware that each of the elements or compounds the device claims to test could simply be read by light attenuation alone without any sort of reaction taking place 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckyuv Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Seems too good to be true. I think I believe in jade II more than something other than taking your water to the fish store for calcium and alkalinity tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bpb Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 At the proposed price I don't care if it's legit, accurate, precise, long lasting, or able to interface with the apex. Too expensive. I'll run a Red Sea test every couple weeks and save myself $600 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inland Reef Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Little bit more info. So looking like it'll be in the $700 range, and around $50 per disk that is estimated to be accurate for a month or more. http://reefbuilders.com/2015/07/29/answers-top-10-questions-mindstream/ Their kickstarter page. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/859739753/mindstream-aquarium-monitor?ref=nav_search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckyuv Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Looks like the kickstarter didnt work out and sounds like they had to give everyone their money back. Thier facebook makes it sound like their still gona keep it up though https://www.facebook.com/pages/MindStream-Aquarium-Monitoring-System/172032453001343 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bpb Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 It really is a cool concept but at that price point it's just not practical. It's limited to the top 1% of the top 1% of reefers out there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gig 'em @ NDstructible Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 That's too bad. Sure it was expensive, but considering how much money some of us put into livestock in our tanks, I think it would be worth it. I travel a lot for work and if I was able to see my alk levels while away from home, I could make the necessary adjustments to my CaRX through my Apex to prevent an alk spike. I battled swinging alk a lot last year when traveling and it cost me enough coral to pay for one of these monitors, and it definitely would have been worth it to have one while my CaRX was on the fritz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryD Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I am still having trouble with how they were planning on getting accurate results for that price, I mean I am pretty sure you could do it with an ion specific chromatograph but one of those for a single parameter is rediculously expensive. I am struggling to see what they could be doing that utilizes flourescence and a consumable disk to achieve the reading. I guess they could be keeping reagents in the disk that are metered out slowly and then it works similar to a Hanna but I am still somewhat concerned with accuracy and repeatability. I guess I just feel that it is almost to good to be true in my mind but I would love to be pleasantly surprise should they manage to get it on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolt Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This is my understanding from their presentation at MACNA: There are no reagents in the system. Temp, PH, and salinity are measured using probes. For other measurements except alk the disk has strips that are flourescent when run across blue diodes. They have sensors that measure voltages associated with photoemissions on 15 spots across each strip. The raw voltage information is fed to the cloud where calculations are done on the backend using calibration info stored for your specific disk, which has an rfid tag. These calculations result in the reading you will see. Alk is calculated using a formula based on CO2 and other things. IF there is significant variation in the 15 samples taken for a given metric then they report an error. Sometimes this can be corrected by cleaning the disk. Sometimes the disk is just worn out. They think they can reliably get 30 days before wearout begins. There are also little brushes that wipe off biofilm as the disk rotates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 I like the idea and amazed by the science behind it... The price will make me never buy it. That's great that it tests it so many times per day but I don't need that. I need a once/day and I'll be happy.... If they can put out a cheaper version, with longer lasting discs, I'm game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolt Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Yeah, their target audience is reefers who want to see continuous trends and look for correlations between metrics over time. It's appealing to some of us, but cost prohibitive unless fully proven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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