All WYSIWYG Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Lots of you guys know me around here as Hydro. I decided to start my own business selling quarantined fish which led me to hours and hours of research on QT methods and medications and boy have I learned a lot, I read as much info as I could find. There are a few medications out there that aren't typically sold by stores and are flat out hard to find but are amazing for treating ich. One medication that has rave reviews is called chloquine phoshpate. Its supposed to be very easy on fish and there are no fish that seem to be sensitive to it (from that I've read). What's great is that it cures the fish from the inside out! Copper and hypo are hard on fish and they can't kill what's attached to the fish, only what is free swimming. CP actually gets in the blood stream and kills the ich on the fish which speeds up the QT process since you don't have to wait for all the ich to fall off the fish. CP is only available one place for fish and its extremely expensive. It’s not safe for all inverts and its not safe for all corals BUT it does not absorb in to LR and it does not kill beneficial bacteria! For FOWLR tanks this is a miracle cure from what people are saying. But what about the full reef miracle cure? As I was reading I ran across information from a marine biologist giving a recipe on how to add it in to food, this is the same recipe that sea world and all the major aquariums use for treating their fish. There is a small company out there making frozen fish food with the medicine already added, and its awesome ingredients so I think the fish will love it. I couldn't find anywhere to order this product, I wasn't able to even order off their website. I contacted the company and since I'm a retailer I was able to order some direct. I want to test the product asap, any volunteers? Anti Parasitic Frozen Fish Food, Flat Pack Anti-Parasitic Rx Treats Ich, Brooklynella, Uronema, Crypto, Oodinium and many more parasites. For Fresh Water and Marine Aquariums. Will not affect your Biological Filter. Medicated Frozen Banquet with No Preservatives, Binders or Gels 100 Grams (3.53 oz) Flat Pack Coral Reef Safe. Treats your Fish, Not your Water! Effective new treatment for several forms of marine and freshwater parasites, that can harm or kill your fish. Amyloodinium Ocellatum or Oodinium is a parasite that primarily attacks the gills. Symptoms include rapid respiration, lethargy, loss of appetite and color fading. Brooklynella symptoms similar to Oodinium, but it also produces a heavy amount of slime. A thick whitish mucus covers the body, skin lesions appear and signs of secondary bacterial infections may arise. Cryptocaryon or Marine Ich causes white spots (like grains of salt) on the surface of the fish. It may also cause breathing problems, abnormal swimming, a layer of mucus and cloudy eyes. Uronema Marinum symptoms include rapid breathing, flashing, color fading, weight loss and dehydration. The fins of infected fish become slightly opaque and appear brittle with frayed edges. Directions: Break off enough for 1 feeding. Do not defrost in water-allow the frozen food to soften at room temperature for a short period of time, then add the morsels to the aquarium. To avoid any possibility of damage to invertebrates and corals, remove food that falls on corals with a turkey baster and use Dr.G's Chemical Filter and Phosphate Remover to remove any medication from the water that was not consumed. Dosage: Depending on your tank size, break off a 1/2 inch square piece to start. Feeding should be completed in 3-5 minutes, adjust size accordingly. Do not over feed. To "Treat" Parasitic infections, use as regular food twice a day for up to 3 weeks. To "Prevent" Parasitic infections, use regular food every day for up to 3 weeks. Repeat when new fish are added to your system. Storage: Keep frozen at all times. Active Ingredient: Chloroquine phosphate. Exceptional Fresh Ingredients: Atlantic Shrimp, Squid, Aquacultured Oysters, Oyster Eggs, Scallops , Clams, Octopus, Pacific Cod, Gut Loaded Mysis & Krill, Freshly Harvested Dr.G's Rotifers, Freshly Hatched Baby Brine Shrimp, Adult Brine Shrimp, Arctic Cyclops, Green/Red Unroasted Nori, Garlic, Freshly Harvested Dr.G's Phytoplankton, Dr.G's Reef Essential Vitamins and Amino-acids. Made in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 How do they prevent it from leaching into the water upon feeding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All WYSIWYG Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 Who has ich problems right now? Who wants to try this food? I should be getting some in the middle of next week and I would like for several people to try it. I will be feeding it to all my fish in QT so I have faith that this product is safe. Cross your fingers that it works, this could be huge for the hobby! So many fish can be saved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All WYSIWYG Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 How do they prevent it from leaching into the water upon feeding? The amount is not enough to cause a problem from what I understand, also chlorquine phosphate doesn't remain active for long so there is not really a chance of building it up in the system if used over time. From what I read it degrades even faster under bright lights, it also can be skimmed out and carbon does absorb it. I will be feeding this to my fish in the reef tank, I'm confident there will be no issues. The only problems I read about is when uneaten food fell on some corals it would cause them to bleach in that spot. I read that people feeding it would use a turkey baster to blast their corals after a feeding just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinB Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I'll be a guinea pig since I have a pretty low coral population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timfish Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I agree, something that attacks the parasite while it's attached to the host feeding is a first and a HUGE deal!. I would still do a full 30 day QT but this would be an excellent food to use to increase the fish's odds of surviving the stresses imposed on it by shipping and handling. I'll PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaarrrggg Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Wow that sounds amazing!! I've been lucky to never meet SW ich, but if I ever do I'll definitely look this thread up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Monnat Jr Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Do they mention if it's safe for crustaceans? I'd hate to have my Sexy Shrimp, or more likely my Cleaner Shrimp, get sick and/or die from it. I wouldn't mind buying some when I pick up some Threadfin Anthias from you. I'm also pondering trying a Powder Brown or White-Cheeked Tang, which are ICH magnets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All WYSIWYG Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 I got to say I'm pretty excited. He was going to send it on monday ground shipping packed in dry ice, I may have him 2 day it instead because I've got some fish that could really use it. They aren't sick, I think its a great preventative and I don't want to take any chances. George I will ask the owner what happens if a invert eats it, that's a really good question actually. I'm glad that you mentioned that. Kevin and Timfish I got you down for some food. It comes in anti parasitic and anti bacterial, Tim do you want some of both? I'm getting both for myself, they are about $15 per flat after shipping which I think is pretty cheap if it works. A regular mysid flat lasts me a week and I'm feeding over 100 fish now, I think they cost $5-6. I'm getting some extra if anyone else wants some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All WYSIWYG Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 Ok so I called the owner who answered his phone at 7:30pm and talked to me for over 30 minutes, that says a lot about a company. He is a doctor in charge of 9 cruise ships out of florida, that's cool! Dr g's fish food is all natural and has no presevatives, no fillers etc. His food is really popular in florida it just hasn't made its way this far west yet. They don't just sell medicated food, they sell pretty much all frozen AND liquid fish food. He told me they are working on more liquid fish foods that are kept refrigerated for easier feedings and less mess, I have to agree. For his standard foods the pricing is supposed to be 25% less than the competitors. I meant to put the link to the website earlier, here it is http://www.drgsmarineaquaculture.com/frozen-fish-food.cfm Anyways I asked him about inverts. He said that inverts can eat the food and it does not kill them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Bio)³ Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 As you know I'll be taking some home the day it arrives This stuff is gonna be neat to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timfish Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Stephan, I'll take 2 of each to start off with. Thank You! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Monnat Jr Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Stephan, I'll take 2 of each to start off with. Thank You! x2, I'll also take a pair, since he said it's safe for inverts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All WYSIWYG Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 I would be glad to get you some George. Mods I wasn't trying to start a group buy in the reef keeping section but its starting to turn out that way so of you feel it needs to be moved I understand. I actually was hoping to find several people having problems with ich right now that we can really test out this product and document their successs or failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mcallahan Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 My fish breeder friends tried it and had no luck. Ich persisted or came back every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timfish Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 My fish breeder friends tried it and had no luck. Ich persisted or came back every time. This doesn't surprise me considering the cyst stage for Cryptocaryon irritans can take weeks or months to release the larval parasites and chloquine phoshpate is treating only the adult stage attached to the fish. Under these conditions a UV sterilizer still seems to me the best way to control marine ich in a display or quarantine tank. But if chloquine phoshpate retards the larval stage when it is attaching to the fish and starts feeding on bood tissue reducing the number of adults on the fish it could be part of an effective treatment regime when an infestation occurs. If it chloquine phoshpate works with Brooklynella or Uronema marinum this would be very good news. Since niether of these parasites have a larval stage UV sterilizers are ineffective. Additionally Brooklynella will reproduce in tanks with copper and the prescribed treatment for both of these parasites is with formalyn or formalyn/malachite combined with freshwater dips. Obviously not something that can be done in a display tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All WYSIWYG Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 Chlorquine phospahte is supposed to work on brooklynella and Uronema timfish. Mark that's interesting since I couldn't find anyone that posted online that it didn't work, not that I don't believe you . Were they treating the food or were they treating the tanks? Were they using Dr G's or were they making their own? He told me if the fish aren't eating of course it will not work. Also he told me that it needs to be fed twice a day and if the fish weren't responding to the treatment the feeding needs to be bumped up to increase the dosage. Since this was the only negative thing I heard I'm still very optimistic. I I don't think it will rid a tank of ich completletly unless dosed in the water. I do think that it wll give the fish a chance to fight off the ich and and increase its overall health to the point where it can fight the ich on its own. Ich exists in most of our tanks already, I'm 100% positive that my tank has ich and my fish are able to stop infestation because of their health. I think this medicated will give them a fighting chance. BTW this can be used in conjunction with copper which is how I will use it just to be safe. I probably will lower the copper dosage to the least recommended amount and use it for 2 weeks. Of course you can also use the medicated food with a UV sterilizer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mFrame Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I would be glad to get you some George. Mods I wasn't trying to start a group buy in the reef keeping section but its starting to turn out that way so of you feel it needs to be moved I understand. I actually was hoping to find several people having problems with ich right now that we can really test out this product and document their successs or failure. We'll leave the thread here for discussion, but you should start a Buy thread in your forum to separate interest in buying the product from the discussion of the product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuxx Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Let us know what works the best Would be interested to try when I get the purple and esp. the achilles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All WYSIWYG Posted May 5, 2012 Author Share Posted May 5, 2012 I've got plenty of this medicated fish food, came in yesterday. Anti-parasitic, de-wormer, and anti-bacterial. If anyone is having a problem with ich or bacteria infection and would like to try it please send me a pm. Kevin how do I get this to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinB Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Sending pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Mendez WTR Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Stephen. My tang came down with ich. Color fading. Bumps under the skin. It looks like whit spot on the swimming fins also. I'm going to try and catch this should be fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All WYSIWYG Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 Is it eating? Maybe you can try the medicated food first? Catching it will be stressful for the fish, unless you can do it easily it could be a death sentence. Unfortunately you are in a tough situation with a sensitive fish, odds are not in your favor. If its eating well I would stop trying to catch it and start feeding the medicated food. If its not eating it has to come out for treatment. I think I remember you saying you only had a goby in there with it right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Mendez WTR Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 I caught him in about 5 minutes with a giant net...I took him to Aquadome as I just purchased him Wednesday...They are treating him with Copper they said it wasnt that bad. I didnt bother getting another one has the same thing will prob happen. I'm going to give him some time to heal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All WYSIWYG Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 Great! He has a good chance then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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