Christyef Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Wouldn't it jst depend on the size the pump requires? Maybe I'm not understanding. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Larger pipe creates less drag Juiceman. I'd size it to the outlet of the pump and minimize downsizing when possible. The entire run will only run as much as the narrowest restriction anyways so keep that in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 Wouldn't it jst depend on the size the pump requires? Maybe I'm not understanding. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Larger pipe creates less drag Juiceman. I'd size it to the outlet of the pump and minimize downsizing when possible. The entire run will only run as much as the narrowest restriction anyways so keep that in mind. So the outlet of a mag18 for example is 3/4". So you wouldn't use 3/4" piping, you'd use something bigger so it's never any smaller that 3/4....? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Wouldn't it jst depend on the size the pump requires? Maybe I'm not understanding. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Larger pipe creates less drag Juiceman. I'd size it to the outlet of the pump and minimize downsizing when possible. The entire run will only run as much as the narrowest restriction anyways so keep that in mind.So the outlet of a mag18 for example is 3/4". So you wouldn't use 3/4" piping, you'd use something bigger so it's never any smaller that 3/4....?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would just use 3/4" the whole way and try not to reduce it anywhere if possible. I didn't have that option so unfortunately I had to reduce some connections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 Wouldn't it jst depend on the size the pump requires? Maybe I'm not understanding. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Larger pipe creates less drag Juiceman. I'd size it to the outlet of the pump and minimize downsizing when possible. The entire run will only run as much as the narrowest restriction anyways so keep that in mind.So the outlet of a mag18 for example is 3/4". So you wouldn't use 3/4" piping, you'd use something bigger so it's never any smaller that 3/4....?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would just use 3/4" the whole way and try not to reduce it anywhere if possible. I didn't have that option so unfortunately I had to reduce some connections. How big is the output of the Jaboa? Looks like it's 1.5" from the size of the manifold piping! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christyef Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Jst stay 3/4. By increasing, the pump wld have to work harder to pump a higher volume. It's designed to run 3/4, I'd stick w/ that. I know nothing about reefs [emoji6], but I say that from a plumbing standpoint. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reburn Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I ran all 3/4 If I had it to do again I would use 1"x3/4"X1" T's and use the 3/4" for the returns going up. And 1" along the manifold. Christyef, You have it backwards the pump has to pump harder due to smaller pipe friction loss. Think of it this way. The 1/8" around the inside of the pipe is very hard to pump due to the friction of the water on the pipe. It flows easiest in the middle of the pipe. The larger the inner diameter the more water it can flow easier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christyef Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 True, each fitting adds restriction too. http://www.irrigationtutorials.com/outlet-pipe-size-for-pump-is-a-bigger-pipe-better/ An article I found that is kinda helpful.. Has a friction loss calculator if you really wanna be specific. [emoji4] Reburn, You're right, larger pipe is better Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 I ran all 3/4 If I had it to do again I would use 1"x3/4"X1" T's and use the 3/4" for the returns going up. And 1" along the manifold. Christyef, You have it backwards the pump has to pump harder due to smaller pipe friction loss. Think of it this way. The 1/8" around the inside of the pipe is very hard to pump due to the friction of the water on the pipe. It flows easiest in the middle of the pipe. The larger the inner diameter the more water it can flow easier. True, each fitting adds restriction too. http://www.irrigationtutorials.com/outlet-pipe-size-for-pump-is-a-bigger-pipe-better/ An article I found that is kinda helpful.. Has a friction loss calculator if you really wanna be specific. [emoji4] Reburn, You're right, larger pipe is better Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That was a very thorough easy read! Reburn... That what I'm trying to understand. So you mentioned that you would use 1" on the Manifold and 3/4 just for the part going out to your 2 returns.. did I read that right? So why not 1" all the way to the bulkhead of the return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reburn Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Bulk heads for line loc come standard 3/4" as the largest. I see no need to drill a larger bulkhead to just throttle the connection back in the last 1". So think of it like a fire hose with garden hoses coming off it vs just a bunch of garden hoses. You will get more flow the first way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+brian.srock Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Unless your fire hose is fire engine red. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christyef Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 [emoji33]. What in the world is that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 [emoji33]. What in the world is that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Looks like someone's awesome fish room! With a giant red UV sterilizer! Haha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christyef Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 [emoji33]. What in the world is that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Looks like someone's awesome fish room! With a giant red UV sterilizer! HahaSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk w/ a HUUGE SKIMMER! If it is, I bet the tank is massiveSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 [emoji33]. What in the world is that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Looks like someone's awesome fish room! With a giant red UV sterilizer! HahaSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk w/ a HUUGE SKIMMER! If it is, I bet the tank is massiveSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Maybe..... I can tell you this is one of the things I'd do in my future home. I would want a 100g+ tub just for live rock and water to be plumbed in just for more natural filtration and water volume. I've seen huge fish rooms setups for 50-60 gallon displays..! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I want it! Where's the UV? I don't see it? I think that thing in the corner is a sand filter if I had to guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 FedEx let me pickup this shipment from the distribution center in pfluggerville. No waiting all day for it to be delivered! I think I'm set for live rock! Dry shelf rock comes in tomorrow! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+brian.srock Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 There are other great plumbing pics from here http://www.reef2reef.com/threads/show-me-your-plumbing.252077/?utm_source=newsletter_1&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=June_07_2016 Sometimes the why is because you can. Do it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BobcatReefer Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Holy Schmoly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 Here's a couple of iPhone pics that show why I'm doing all of this.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bpb Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I think you'll be so much happier. And on the above fish room pic. Yeah I bet it's a big tank. I see 4 metal halide ballasts. And a skimmer that looks like it could hold a basketball in the collection cup Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 I wouldn't know where to start on this one..... Haha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 Just priced true union ball valves At a store in town.... They're triple the price compared to the same thing from aquacave and BRS..... Geezz Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 So deciding how to run my returns in the drilled setup... I would either drill for 3 returns or 2. Not sure which would be better. also not sure if it would be worth it to add any Y loc line fittings inside the tank in any scenerio I currently have a Mag 18 trickling into the tank via 4 loc line Flare nossiles, which I think is caused by poor plumbing on my part.. Either way i'm going to switch to Round Nissiles... Think there are any pros and cons to add the y inside the tank or going with 3 returns instead or 2 or some combination of all these things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 So 1,2,3 or 4? Or none of the above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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