Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Theresa, if you do choose to go the typhon route (or any of the other 0-10v controllers) instead of apex, what you're going to have to do is use the dimmer to achieve the sunrise/sunset, AND have a manual timer that cuts off when you want the lights to go off. As it stands right now, you can only dim down to 10%, but you can't "dim" them off, so you have to have an old school timer turn the things off manually.